Honey thread - from TBB and bits from old LHC

[socks]

I did indeed use distilled water.

To apply, I first braided my hair and plugged the sink. Then, I basically just poured the mixture onto my scalp while leaning over the sink using the same water bottle I mixed everything in. The liquid that ran off my hair got caught in the sink and my braid soaked up everything caught in the sink.

I pinned my braid up, then covered my head in a shower cap and wrapped the back of my neck in a towel to catch any run-off.

[ktani]

I did indeed use distilled water.

To apply, I first braided my hair and plugged the sink. Then, I basically just poured the mixture onto my scalp while leaning over the sink using the same water bottle I mixed everything in. The liquid that ran off my hair got caught in the sink and my braid soaked up everything caught in the sink.

I pinned my braid up, then covered my head in a shower cap and wrapped the back of my neck in a towel to catch any run-off.

socks

Thank you for the details.

You did 2 important things, IMO.

1. You used distilled water. Some tap water may be ok but most I think is not.

2. You got your hair really wet with the treatment.

From your profile, I can see that you have you have a lot of hair (it is beautiful, BTW, IMO).

That no doubt made the shower cap fit nice and tight.

[RedRose]

I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to be asking this question, but where can you get distilled water from? I live in the UK. And if you can't get distilled water, what is a good substitute? Bottled mineral water? My sister is keen to try this on her hair, and our tap water is very hard and full of minerals so I don't think that it would be a good idea to use that.

Thanks in advance :-)

[ktani]

I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to be asking this question, but where can you get distilled water from? I live in the UK. And if you can't get distilled water, what is a good substitute? Bottled mineral water? My sister is keen to try this on her hair, and our tap water is very hard and full of minerals so I don't think that it would be a good idea to use that.

Thanks in advance :-)

RedRose

This is the right place.

Distilled water is not the same as bottled water.

Distilled water is mineral free.

This is a link on where to buy distilled water in the U.S. but the same type of vendors would apply anywhere IMO.
http://www.hardforum.com/archive/ind...t-1121735.html

Distilled water is used for steam irons, and can also be bought at boating and automotive supply stores, from my research into sources.

[ktani]

A breakdown of the newest honey lightening recommendations, which have been reported to be working out very well. This is all in the recommendations post in my signature.

Patch test any of the ingredients not previously used on scalp or skin.

1. Choose a honey - the Successful Honeys List
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...ount=856itamin

"If one cannot be found - try a dark coloured honey blend - raw or pasteurized - both have been reported to work equally well. Dark coloured blends were reported in research, to have higher peroxide levels than lighter coloured blends. A dark coloured, single source honey, does not necessarily have a high peroxide value - it depends on the plant source."

Jarrah honey - highly recommended - it has a very high peroxide value. More information and suppliers can be found here.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1266

Some honeys naturally contain higher levels of Vitamin C. Avoid using Anzer, buckwheat, linden flower, locust flower, mint and thyme honeys.

2. Use distilled water only. It contains no minerals. Minerals can deplete the recipe peroxide (so can Vitamin C, see #5). Conditioner is no longer recommended for honey lightening. Its ingredients and lack of water content can interfere with results. The same applies to coconut cream and milk (they contain minerals and can contain Vitamin C, as well as not enough water to properly dilute honey).

3. Use the correct 4 to 1 dilution (4 x the amount of water to honey by weight) - e.g. 1/8 cup honey needs 3/4 cup distilled water, 50 g honey needs 200 ml distilled water etc. (weight conversion 1 g = 1 ml)
http://www.traditionaloven.com/conve...surements.html

4. Do not apply heat to any of the recipe ingredients at any time. Peroxide containing boosters are ground cardamom, ground cinnamon, extra virgin olive oil and coconut oil.

5. Do not add lemon juice, or any other ingredient that contains Vitamin C to a recipe, like tomato products, which are no longer recommended. Hydrogen peroxide oxidizes Vitamin C, and is depleted in doing so.

6. Mix the treatment at room temperature and let it sit for 1 hour, also at room temperature, to allow the honey to produce its maximum peroxide value.

7. Apply the treatment to dry hair if there is no aloe gel on it - aloe gel contains Vitamin C, or an unrinsed out rinse with Vitamin C, heavy residue, or a large amount of oil on the hair (a large amount of oil will act as a barrier to the water). If there is, wash the hair first then dry it to slightly damp. You will get less drips on dry hair. The treatment can be applied with a tint, blush, pastry brush and/or a spray or squirt bottle.

Note: A treatment can also be applied to wet hair.

8. Pin up, then cover the hair securely with plastic (wearing a hat over a shower cap or a swim cap is recommended), to keep it out of the way, competely wet (a must) and contain drips. Leave the treatment on the hair for about 1 hour.

[ktani]

Conventional hydrogen peroxide and wounds

"according to numerous medical sites .... there is a downside .... hydrogen peroxide .... also damages healthy cells ... needed for ... wounds to heal .... hinders them from getting to .... where the healing needs to take place. .... HealthFinder publication of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services says don't use hydrogen peroxide on a wound .... interferes with healing. .... The National Safety Council's First Aid Pocket Guide (1996) .... "DO NOT use hydrogen peroxide It does not kill bacteria .... it adversely affects capillary blood flow and wound healing." The Mayo Clinic gives the same advice."
http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors...n-peroxide.htm

"Avoid antiseptics .... hydrogen peroxide and iodine .... can damage sensitive tissue .... delay healing."
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/bed...ents-and-drugs



but for the use of honey


"Although .... level of hydrogen peroxide in honey .... very low it is still effective as an antimicrobial agent.

In more than 500 published reports on the clinical usage of honey in open wounds .... no adverse reactions noted other than .... localised stinging sensation .... may be due to the acidity of honey as it has not been reported when the acidity .... neutralised ....
In papers describing .... application of honey to open wounds .... has been reported to be soothing .... relieve pain .... non-irritating .... pain free on application .... and .... no adverse effects .... number of histological studies examining wound tissues .... support the safe use of honey ...."
http://www.worldwidewounds.com/2001/...cal-agent.html

[ktani]

Pictures of honey lightening with the correct 4 to 1 dilution.

Jan in ID - on mid-brown virgin hair - with the corrected 4 to 1 dilution and distilled water - after 3 more treatments - with ground cinnamon and only 1/2 tblsp EVOO, no conditioner and the condition of her hair, after 5 treaments
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1721

HalcyonDays - on dark mid-brown virgin hair - with the correct 4 to 1 dilution using tap water - after 1 treatment - left on the hair for 2 hours - just water and honey. The lighting is dark in the before picture, so I requested a replacement picture.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1633

HalcyonDays - on the condition of her hair following honey lightening and a replacement before picture
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1635

soleluna - on hennaed hair (baq Egyptian henna) - the correct 4 to 1 dilution - after 1 treatment - with distilled water and only 1 tsp ground cinnamon - no conditioner
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1375

soleluna - recipe details and the condition of her hair following honey lightening Note: the correct amount of honey used was 2 tablespoons - there was an error made in transcribing the recipe
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1377

Alley Cat - on chemically dyed, almost black, previously hennaed hair (which shows as red) - 4 to 1 dilution - after 9 treatments - 8 with no conditioner - 3 with ground cinnamon - the last 5 with just water and honey, the 3 most recent with distilled water and the correct 4 to 1 dilution
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1492

Aley Cat - on the condition of her hair following honey lightening
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1495

LadyPolaris - on hennaed hair - after 4 treatments - the correct 4 to 1 dilution by weight, with distilled water, ground cinnamon and EVOO - no conditioner and the condition of her hair following 4 honey lightening treatments
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1651

wintersun99 - on henndigoed hair - the correct 4 to 1 dilution, with distilled water and ground cinnamon, new honey - updated results, recipe and the condition of her hair following more honey lightening
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1855

wintersun99 - more on her application to get the final current results
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1912

wintersun99 - on how to secure a shower cap for honey lightening
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1914

[ktani]

kokuryu used a bathing or swim cap to cover her treatments. Here are the results. It is a brilliant idea IMO, keeping the hair very wet and secured.

kokuryu - on virgin, mid-blonde hair - using only tap water and honey, unmeasured - after 2 treatments
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1767

kokuryu - recipe details and the condition of her hair.
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1765

She switched to using the treatment on wet hair for the 3rd treatment.

kokuryu - on virgin, mid-blonde hair - using only tap water and honey, unmeasured - after 3 treatments
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1799

kokuryu - on the condition of her hair after 3 treatments
http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...postcount=1801

[ktani]

This is a shout out to all regular honey lightening users.

Brand names if possible please.

Please report the best honey that you have used that leaves little to no residue.

[PixieChick11]

Just wondering, has anyone every mixed Honey with Hydrogen Peroxide and applied it onto their hair?

I'm too lazy to go through all 200 pages, hehe.